i propose that to replace to's reality show, the bills start a "blue collar comedy tour"-esque tv show call the "buddy, chan and giff good ole boy hour".

Dan Reeves?, I think its apparent that the Bills want nothing to do with anyone that has done anything proven.

What do you think of this idea?

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While some of the players probably do need to be slapped around a bit, I don't think Leavitt has enough pro experience for my liking. Plus his name is Jim, which doesn't fit into the collection of awesomely named coaches, which is why Clancy Pendergast is a perfect fit.

I think Schopp and the Bulldog are making wayyyyy to big a deal about the possibility of Vick. They're making it sound like it would be the end of the Bills and it's the worst idea ever, etc... I actually think it's a good idea, especially if they draft another QB to bring along while Vick takes over for a couple years. Now it doesn't mean that I think the guy is a model citizen or think what he did is even remotely acceptable, but we're talking about the NFL where players can run over people and kill them and only get suspended for 8 games, Vick was out of football for 2 years and was sentenced to 23 months in prison, the guy served his time.

My thoughts exactly. not his biggest fan or that but if he can come in and help the bills out and maybe give some hope here than bring him in.

"He did his time." That's a refrain from everyone that's cool with Vick coming to Buffalo, but what does that mean to me? Dude was in jail for 18 months. Does that mean that he's reformed? Just because Vick's multi-million dollar public relations agency and his multi-million dollar sports agency wrote him some apology letters does not indicate to me that he's a changed man. It indicates to me that he and his handlers want to get their hands back in the NFL honey pot and because of the NFL's lax attitude toward criminals, they have been successful.

Does "He did his time" indicate to me that I should somehow forgive him? There are plenty of rapists and murderers out on the street after years in jail, should I think they're swell guys? Should I support their hiring at the places that I work and spend time? The bottom line is in most legitimate businesses, if you have a criminal record, you are not somehow "owed" a second chance and you do not get one. The only thing men like Vick are owed is their freedom and basic political rights. They do not somehow earn the right back to go teach high school or even get a job at the grocery store.

I think more and more people these days are of the "I don't care if he killed my mom, as long as he can help my favorite team win" school of thought. I do not feel that way. I do not feel good about rooting for a dude that ran over some lady and drove away. That's a gutless and disgraceful move and I'm not about to cheer for a man who does that. I'm certainly not going to root for a guy that is so cruel that he is capable of killing dogs by wetting them down and electrocuting them, by hanging them from trees, by drowning them and by slamming them against the ground repeatedly. That's not a guy who made a mistake. That's a deeply, deeply cruel and fucked up individual that I want far away from a team that I have invested so much time, money and emotion into supporting.

If they bring Vick to Buffalo, that's the last straw for me.

I don't like the idea of Ron Mexico coming here but not because of the dog killing thing. It bothers me because his best days are behind him. If the Bills were getting a 24 yr old Vick that's one thing, but this would be like the Bledsoe signing. Maybe they get two good years out of him, where does that leave them afterwards? Looking for a QB. They need to go out and get a guy who may not be able to win right now, but the Bills aren't going to win right now anyways. I want to see Brohm get a chance, if he doesn't develop in a year can him and start over. The Jets built a playoff team from inside the trenches. If the Bills focus on strengthening their lines, they can have a solid running game as well as the ability to stop the run. A rookie QB can win with those tools. If Edwards had a line in front of him and wasn't asked to make decisions at the line this year, we wouldn't be running him out of town. A total of 10 points kept them out of the playoffs again. I won't go as far as saying last year's line gets them those points, but how many 3rd and shorts turned into 3rd and 7 or 8 because of Bell, Wood, and Levitre?

And to the fans who go to the stadium, when the Bills are on offense, you need to be quiet, save the noise for the defense.

The biggest defense that pro-Vick-to-Buffalo people have had from everything I've seen is, "Let him come here and sign a rookie QB. Then let him run the offense while that new QB gets developed."

To me, this sounds like they want Michael Vick to mentor this new QB. And though I understand that there's a QB coach on the team that I'm sure would help with this, there is NO way that I would want any QB to have Michael Vick as someone to look up to.

Is that why the Bills' offense has sucked for over a decade? I knew it had to be something like that!

It was very apparent at home games that the offense was out of sync because the noise level in the stadium was out of control. Fans were excited for T.O. and they showed their excitement the wrong way. It's OK to scream after good plays, not when the QB is under center.

Yeah, that would probably be a bad idea, especially if we get that Clausen kid from Notre Dame, who apparently already has attitude problems.

All I'm saying is he's gotten way worse of a punishment than other players in the NFL who KILLED PEOPLE. With that punishment behind him, I say let the guy do his job, he probably only has a couple more years left to make his money anyway. I know the NFL seems to get worse every year but the idea of athletes as role models died a long time ago... So if that kind of stuff bothers you then maybe you should just walk away from sports in general, I don't know. I still say that Vick might have some football in him and if you get the guy in exchange for a late round draft pick then do it, anyone they pick late in the draft isn't going to come in and contribute right away anyway, they might not even make the team, if you swap a late round pick for you him he either comes in and gets you 3 more games a year or he comes in and sucks. Though I have a feeling that even Michael Vick sucking is still better than Ryan Fitzpatrick or Edwards anyway. If the Bills were to get Vick for a late round pick AND draft a QB i'd be fine with it, I don't think it'd be a good idea to bring him in as the answer at QB long term though. As far as mentoring is concerned I think that is way overrated in football, you mean to tell me that a 1st string QB REALLY wants to help the younger guy take his job? I think there are probably very few veteran QBs who are willing to do that out there, besides that's what coaches are for. What do you guys think of the new assistant GM? I like that they FINALLY went out and got a someone from outside, and he's gotta be better than John Guy right?

I agree that athletes as role models died long ago. I guess for a late round pick I could be sold on Vick, but I think I'd still rather have a linebacker.

But again, what does that mean to me? You can always play the "at least he's not as bad as (blank)" card. I think the Bills can shoot for a higher standard then, "So he tortured a bunch of dogs, at least he hasn't savagely beaten his girlfriend!" Really? Are those our standards? I mean, I generally respect what you have to say on here and think you're a smart guy. That argument is ridiculous, though.



And...I don't want to be a jerk in this post but it's turning out that way...this is ludicrous too. I mean, you might be right that some people in the crowd don't know how to behave when the team is on offense and my experiences at the Ralph in the last few years suggest that you are right...but to suggest that it is in ANY way consequential to how poorly the offense performs, I find that very unconvincing. It doesn't get that loud when the team is on offense, certainly not enough to make a real difference. Besides, I don't think the noise level in the stadium has been "out of control," even when the team is on defense, since the stadium has been remodeled and all those seats were yanked out.